Yeah ... "fleetingly amusing" as the contents of a colostomy bag for breakfast ...
I was refering to the wonderfully uplifting and life-like 'working for welfare' simulator! Harumph
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Mr Technique wrote:John Oliver was a correspondent on The Daily Show for 7 years, then last summer, Stewart went to direct a movie for 3 months and Oliver filled in and his performance got him his own show on HBO, still based in the US, which is pretty similar to DS from what I have seen.
Climate change, Creationism as a science....there are so many non-debate debates at the moment.
Bubby wrote:oh, this is wonderful! (skip to 2 mins in).
Bubby wrote:yeah, i saw that
I do think with the increased exposure they will be held up to a hell of a lot more scrutiny from the media in the run up to the election, the only trouble is by then it will likely be too late.
They either split the right wing vote, or force the Tory party to the right, thus making them half as likely to win elections. Basically though, they're just a single issue party. No one who votes for them knows anything about any of their other policies, other than that they want out of the EU. With a lot of the right wing press (i.e. all of it) getting behind this, it's generating them a lot of support.
If people in their droves did start voting for the ukips, i'm not sure that they'd be able to cope. I think that they can whip up the masses into a frenzy, but they can't control that frenzy and direct it at anything other than the EU.
Mr Minnow wrote:The right wing press has dug itself a bit of a hole with UKIP. They can't really start attacking UKIP in any meaningful way because UKIP is their ideological wet dream, and not just on the EU. On the other hand, they don't want UKIP to take too many votes from the Tories, as winning an overall majority will be hard enough for the Tories in 2015 even without the UKIP effect.
I don't think UKIP are quite a single issue party, though they're not far off. They're a two issue party - Europe and immigration. I think it's the latter rather than the former issue which is the reason for most of the working class voters they've attracted. If those people knew how far to the right UKIP are on other areas I doubt very much they'd be so inclined to vote for them. If UKIP were in the Tory party they'd be on the hard right of that party, espousing the same sort of nonsense that made so many working class people loathe Thatcher. I think they'd be especially disillusioned to find that "taking back control of our own affairs" is code for slashing employment rights and allowing business to do pretty much what it wants. Getting rid of "Brussels red tape" might sound good; getting rid of rights that people value and would never want to give up, not so much.
Bubby wrote:Just imagine for a minute the prospect of a tory/ukip coalition
I can't imagine this would ever happen though, too many monstrous ego's on both sides and of course ukip supporters would drop them like turds.
You've put your finger on something i've been wondering too, is it possible that Farage has been pushed by the media as he's a man who can attract the votes of the angry, disenfranchised and disillusioned, but would merely galvanise and further entrench the forces, structures and institutions which are at the root of that dissent if he was in power. He's fvcking ideal. As has been alluded to before, Farage is the anti-Ron Paul - a corporate state would never allow Ron near high office, because his economic policies (if enacted) would shatter the foundation which is almost entirely fundamental to their existence.
I've also heard that there's footage of Farage on a US business show where the mask slips and his agenda of further opening up the UK for the interests of foreign private companies becomes apparent. When this is considered, the notion of his party being about 'independence' is laughable.
Indeed. Many people mostly seem to pick up on the one or two things they can relate with and fear of immigration (or even scarier, this idea of mass immigration) and the fact that they 'work hard' while the feckless unemployed sit around in their smoking jackets playing x-box and eating cavier on their taxes are the ones thay are most enraged about, though of course most of this outrage is manufactured by the goverment and their lapdogs in the press to support the goverments own case. This would be even worse under the ukips.