A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

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A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

Postby i love sarah » Thu Jan 21, 2016 04:14

The Special Garage Concerts double CD is my favourite Cardiacs album and I'm fascinated by the tracks that were unreleased before. Why didn't they record/release those tracks then?
There is evidence of all those unreleased songs being played in the 80s on audience recordings/bootlegs...except of one:

There is a studio outtake of Hello Mr. Minnow and live versions of Gloomy News and An Ant, but is there a recording of Hopeless other than on Special Garage Concerts?
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Re: A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

Postby drterror666 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 13:52

Not to my knowledge. There are some songs that Cardiacs played live that never made it anywhere.
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Re: A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

Postby i love sarah » Mon Feb 15, 2016 09:01

I asked the same question on Facebook and I got responses from a guy called "Nova Seven". I post his comments as-is:

"I heard that 'hopeless' or 'friends' was going to be the 1st single for cardiacs.."

"Its on live tapes from 84 -fetcham and another 1...Pretty sure was originally called 'friends'"

"I think the fetcham tape I have is dec 27 '84 (they also do a great version of 'the bitter pill' )"

When I asked how he got that tape, he answered "From a mate of the band on tape,I will dig it out in near future"

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Re: A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

Postby drterror666 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 15:09

That would explain why it never got recorded.
Hello little doggy,
My, you are a nice dog,
What did you just say then?
You could do some tricks! Oh, good, then will you show me?
My word that's a good one!
Would you like a cigarette?
No you can't, they're bad for you!

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Re: A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

Postby i love sarah » Mon Feb 15, 2016 18:58

drterror666 wrote:That would explain why it never got recorded.


why? I don't get your comment

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Re: A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

Postby drterror666 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 20:25

Because, if the had Hopeless prepped for a single, but it never happened, Tim just bypassed it for everything that would come later. He was known for just moving on to the next thing.
Hello little doggy,
My, you are a nice dog,
What did you just say then?
You could do some tricks! Oh, good, then will you show me?
My word that's a good one!
Would you like a cigarette?
No you can't, they're bad for you!

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Re: A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

Postby i love sarah » Tue Feb 16, 2016 07:10

I'm not an Cardiacs expert (I'm a fan since 2010), but I transcribed and studied a lot of songs of Tim and I study music (playing guitar) and composition. When we look at the stuff they played in 1979, the composing style of Hopeless appears to be not like the other tracks, because it is more rhythmically complex than those. Hopeless sounds more like a more experienced Tim Smith.
On the other hand it's really remarkable, how an approx. 18-year old teen can compose something like Game for Bertie's Party which sounds pretty mature (at least musically) and it could be that he composed Hopeless that early and the 1979 band couldn't play it because of the complexity and therefore was not recorded

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Re: A recording of "Hopeless" from the 80s ??

Postby drterror666 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:47

He really could put some complex stuff together (and probably still does in his head). I guess we'll never know why Hopeless was never recorded; at least it's on the Garage compilation :)
Hello little doggy,
My, you are a nice dog,
What did you just say then?
You could do some tricks! Oh, good, then will you show me?
My word that's a good one!
Would you like a cigarette?
No you can't, they're bad for you!

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