Nowt but a common tealeaf

Made Of Worms · Postby **Made Of Worms** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 14:29

A friend pointed this out to me:

http://youtu.be/lCCJc_V8_MQ

Not as clear cut as the Faust Wireless one, but it's there, in the unconscious nicking stakes, isn't it?

schlep · Postby **schlep** » Sat Sep 08, 2012 15:51

Hiding in plain sight!

dogsetc. · Postby **dogsetc.** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 18:03

Are we looking for a tune in there as well as the name... what about Big Ship by Freddie McGregor...?
I think it's fair-game to rob Brian Eno, he's got so many ideas in his noddle i'm sure he can spare a few for those less-blessed. [/sarcy bollocks]

Made Of Worms · Postby **Made Of Worms** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:49

There are some ..um.. chord changes which are ..um.. not the same as 'our' ones but are ..um.. changey and ..um.. it sort of starts in a kind of similar yet completely different way.

I felt reasonably sure this forum would soon enough be replaced by the old Seaside anyway

. If it isn't then we're sure going to miss that 'Do you know who I fancy?' thread.

schlep · Postby **schlep** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 14:12

Made Of Worms wrote:There are some ..um.. chord changes which are ..um.. not the same as 'our' ones but are ..um.. changey and ..um.. it sort of starts in a kind of similar yet completely different way.

I felt reasonably sure this forum would soon enough be replaced by the old Seaside anyway . If it isn't then we're sure going to miss that 'Do you know who I fancy?' thread.

It seems like Bill Drake's keyboards move along in a similar way to Eno's 'Ship' - not the same chords, and it all resolves to that ringing D chord which Eno's never does...but somehow it is SIMILAR, c'mon who will drink to that?
Furthermore I propose that 'It's A Lovely Day' is 'Burning Airlines' played sideways.

The 'Top Burds' thread is gone-? :cry:

Made Of Worms · Postby **Made Of Worms** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 14:35

<strike>Yes, it was in Seaside for no apparent reason, so unless frosty can regurgitate it... in which case, the whole board will rewind to that backup date presumably, in order to preserve the index or something, so we here shall never have been here and del's top totty shall return.</strike>
Edit: :axe:

doh, it wasn't in Seaside, it was in Cardiacs Alike, and it's still there. Megaphew.

What was in Seaside then? Oh, just all the lyrics and that. :cry:

dogsetc. · Postby **dogsetc.** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 15:08

Made Of Worms wrote:What was in Seaside then? Oh, just all the lyrics and that.

Not the Lyrics, but that... discussion about Cardiacs, generally; reviews of gigs; pages and pages of anticipation; everything really. You could make metaphors about the (temporary) loss i suppose... dogs without tails, headless chickens, etc. and any amount of old irony. :cry:

Made Of Worms · Postby **Made Of Worms** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 17:34

Ohhhhhh excuse my board rustiness. So the forum where we talked about the band we're here for, then.

Pheeel · Postby **Pheeel** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:09

On this very subject, It only just occurred to me recently how similar the instrumental bit of Duck & Roger is to the one in Return Of The Giant Hogweed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuJQL8G ... age#t=414s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKQuh_RZ ... age#t=152s

See what I mean? Bladdy thieves!

dogsetc. · Postby **dogsetc.** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 15:41

I can hear it. Tim's is a million times better though, with a billion times more life to it. (Never liked Genesis i'm afraid.)

Brings to mind what someone said, on the internet: "Cardiacs sound like early Genesis might have done if they'd gone to a comprehensive rather than Charterhouse."

Fugazi · Postby **Fugazi** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 13:51

Pheeel wrote:On this very subject, It only just occurred to me recently how similar the instrumental bit of Duck & Roger is to the one in Return Of The Giant Hogweed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuJQL8G ... age#t=414s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKQuh_RZ ... age#t=152s

See what I mean? Bladdy thieves!

Yeah, I'd heard about that, but I'd never connected the two songs even though I love them both. Sometimes it just needs pointing out to me...

Now here's one I did spot - the whole song in general seems like it could have been a touchstone for a young Timmy's musical mind, especially around the 2 minute mark (R.E.S. anyone? :twisted:

)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBlALygT ... age#t=110s

I'd picked up some other "Cardiac-y" bits in various Van der Graaf Generator tracks, can't remember which ones at the moment, I'll have to hunt them down.

cheers

Steve

schlep · Postby **schlep** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 22:13

I had this little instrumental bit (from 4:59 - 5:43) stuck in my head earlier and was wondering which Cardiacs tune it was from...oops
Dancing Out with the Moonlit Knight

Fugazi · Postby **Fugazi** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 02:26

schlep wrote:I had this little instrumental bit (from 4:59 - 5:43) stuck in my head earlier and was wondering which Cardiacs tune it was from...oops
Dancing Out with the Moonlit Knight

Odd Even? Y'know, as familiar as I be with the music of both Cardiacs and Genesis, I struggle to hear an obvious Genesis influence anywhere near as clearly as, say, the likes of Gentle Giant, Egg, VdGG and maybe King Crimson.

Having said that, there's been much discussion on the prog influences on Cardiacs music, but I'd be interested in a discussion on what punk impact there was - I'm thinking it would be towards the Wire/Television/Magazine/Gang of Four/Talking Heads/XTC end of the spectrum?

If only Snardbafulator was still around to explain it in terms few of us can barely comprehend

cheers

Steve

Pheeel · Postby **Pheeel** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 20:40

Fugazi wrote:
schlep wrote:I had this little instrumental bit (from 4:59 - 5:43) stuck in my head earlier and was wondering which Cardiacs tune it was from...oops
Dancing Out with the Moonlit Knight

Having said that, there's been much discussion on the prog influences on Cardiacs music, but I'd be interested in a discussion on what punk impact there was - I'm thinking it would be towards the Wire/Television/Magazine/Gang of Four/Talking Heads/XTC end of the spectrum?

Steve

I remember hearing Tim's a big Devo fan, and listening to Jocko Homo you can definitely tell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGaXiUHI-Og

Also, does Mark Mothersbaugh's performance in this video clip remind you of anyone...? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc

Fugazi · Postby **Fugazi** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 19:12

Pheeel wrote:I remember hearing Tim's a big Devo fan, and listening to Jocko Homo you can definitely tell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGaXiUHI-Og

And The Residents as well maybe? (R.E.S. and all that...)

Pheeel wrote:Also, does Mark Mothersbaugh's performance in this video clip remind you of anyone...? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc

Somewhat, but many musicians have an angular, jerky style of performance. Wilko Johnson springs to mind.

Here's another couple of songs with similar sound and feel, especially in the piano riff and the drums :

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Ocean+Shipw ... HPnb?src=5

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvMoRVrqx_I

Both fantastic songs though...

cheers

Steve

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