Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

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Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby seventies » Tue May 08, 2012 16:50

When you’re a part of the fan community for a decade or more, you have a really good idea of what tracks are the truly cherished ones by the base. As a brand new member of this community, I have no idea what the most popular Cardiacs songs are. With only a few albums’ exposure so far, here are the ones that are hitting me the hardest right now:

Bodysbad
Dirty Boy
Dog Like Sparky
Manhoo
Nurses Whispering Verses
Whole World Window

Am I way off? Or are these typically among the more popular Cardiacs tracks?

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby psparky27 » Tue May 08, 2012 17:07

you wont get one single same responde here.

I really dont like dirty boy but it seems im "weird" :)

But for what its worth I would say:

Everso closely ....
Day is gone
Roger the horse
Big ship
RES
Is this the life
Tarred and Feathered
Gina lollabrigida

you wont get anyone to agree but is always fun tio discuss

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby drterror666 » Wed May 09, 2012 11:36

Everything they've ever done!

Well, maybe I'm Eating In Bed grates on me sometimes, but only sometimes and I still don't agree with Tim putting it back in A Little Man... I prefer the original cut. Sorry, Tim...
Hello little doggy,
My, you are a nice dog,
What did you just say then?
You could do some tricks! Oh, good, then will you show me?
My word that's a good one!
Would you like a cigarette?
No you can't, they're bad for you!

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby Batesy » Wed May 09, 2012 14:16

drterror666 wrote:Everything they've ever done!


Yep, I'd go with that - although it might be fair to say that the albums 'Guns' and 'Heaven Born...' have divided opinions in the Pond more than anything else they've done.

'Heaven Born...' is my least favourite of the studio albums but I'd still fight to the death to defend it*

*I'm not sure what from. I haven't thought this through.

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby Snardbafulator » Sat May 31, 2014 00:40

drterror666 wrote:Everything they've ever done!

Well, maybe I'm Eating In Bed grates on me sometimes, but only sometimes and I still don't agree with Tim putting it back in A Little Man... I prefer the original cut. Sorry, Tim...

Aww, Dr T., I couldn't disagree more -- which isn't too surprising considering our different musical backgrounds. Eating is easily my favorite off that album, and it would actually sit more comfortably on On Land ... The Gentle Giant and ELP influences pour gloriously forth.

I see A Little Man ... as a transitional album, between the prog ska of their first period and their sympho and avant prog-influenced later stuff. The tunes just aren't as dense, with more repetition and less discrete sections. Sometimes this works fabulously as in Victory Egg (straight-up British trad), sometimes less so in Icing and Dive. My favorite on the original release is The Breakfast Line because of that marvelous, skirling, altered whole tone final section. A Little Man is wondrous profound because of the lyrics, but Whole World Window is, to me, too much like ersatz, early Mellotronic King Crimson down to the chord changes.

This is going to sound like minor heresy to the old heads, but that's actually my least favorite Cardiacs album (yes, including Heaven Born). But I'll sit in the heretic corner with Sparky, because I share his view that Dirty Boy, though a great song, is not quite a masterpiece.

Here's a random list of my all-time Cardiacs faves:

T.VT.V.
As Cold As Can Be In An English Sea
A Wooden Fish On Wheels
Gina Lollobrigida
Pip as Uncle Dick But Peter Spoiled It
Hope Day
A Balloon For Bertie's Party
Hello Mr. Minnow
A Cake For Bertie's Party
Visiting Hours
RES
Nurses Whispering Verses
A Little Man and a House
The Breakfast Line
Victory Egg
I'm Eating In Bed
Stoneage Dinosaurs
Blind in Safety and Leafy in Love
Loosefish Scapegrace
Two Bites of Cherry
Baby Heart Dirt
The Duck and Roger The Horse
Mare's Nest
The Stench of Honey
Buds and Spawn
The Everso-Closely Guarded Line
March
Bodysbad
Core
Ideal
Eat It Up Worms Hero
Dog-Like Sparky
Fiery Gun Hand
Insect Hoofs On Lassie
Bellyeye
A Horse's Tail
Manhoo
Wireless
Odd Even
Bell Stinks
Bell Clinks
Flap Off You Beak
Winds and Rains is Cold
Cry Wet Smile Dry
Jitterbug (Junior Is a)
Sleep All Eyes Open
Come Back Clammy Lammy
Clean That Evil Mud Out of Your Soul
Signs
Will Bleed Amen
Faster Than Snakes With a Ball and a Chain


Hee ... now it's time to make a VLC playlist ::D

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby Mr. Minnow » Sat May 31, 2014 01:56

Snardbafulator wrote:This is going to sound like minor heresy to the old heads, but that's actually my least favorite Cardiacs album (yes, including Heaven Born). But I'll sit in the heretic corner with Sparky, because I share his view that Dirty Boy, though a great song, is not quite a masterpiece.



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Postby Made Of Worms » Sat May 31, 2014 03:36

I dislike this forum font (Trebuchet?) compared to others, because in other oft-used fonts the word 'burn' more closely resembles the word 'bum'.

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby psparky27 » Sat May 31, 2014 03:41

Snardbafulator wrote:
drterror666 wrote:Everything they've ever done!

Well, maybe I'm Eating In Bed grates on me sometimes, but only sometimes and I still don't agree with Tim putting it back in A Little Man... I prefer the original cut. Sorry, Tim...

Aww, Dr T., I couldn't disagree more -- which isn't too surprising considering our different musical backgrounds. Eating is easily my favorite off that album, and it would actually sit more comfortably on On Land ... The Gentle Giant and ELP influences pour gloriously forth.

I see A Little Man ... as a transitional album, between the prog ska of their first period and their sympho and avant prog-influenced later stuff. The tunes just aren't as dense, with more repetition and less discrete sections. Sometimes this works fabulously as in Victory Egg (straight-up British trad), sometimes less so in Icing and Dive. My favorite on the original release is The Breakfast Line because of that marvelous, skirling, altered whole tone final section. A Little Man is wondrous profound because of the lyrics, but Whole World Window is, to me, too much like ersatz, early Mellotronic King Crimson down to the chord changes.

This is going to sound like minor heresy to the old heads, but that's actually my least favorite Cardiacs album (yes, including Heaven Born). But I'll sit in the heretic corner with Sparky, because I share his view that Dirty Boy, though a great song, is not quite a masterpiece.

Here's a random list of my all-time Cardiacs faves:

T.VT.V.
As Cold As Can Be In An English Sea
A Wooden Fish On Wheels
Gina Lollobrigida
Pip as Uncle Dick But Peter Spoiled It
Hope Day
A Balloon For Bertie's Party
Hello Mr. Minnow
A Cake For Bertie's Party
Visiting Hours
RES
Nurses Whispering Verses
A Little Man and a House
The Breakfast Line
Victory Egg
I'm Eating In Bed
Stoneage Dinosaurs
Blind in Safety and Leafy in Love
Loosefish Scapegrace
Two Bites of Cherry
Baby Heart Dirt
The Duck and Roger The Horse
Mare's Nest
The Stench of Honey
Buds and Spawn
The Everso-Closely Guarded Line
March
Bodysbad
Core
Eat It Up Worms Hero
Dog-Like Sparky
Fiery Gun Hand
Insect Hoofs On Lassie
Bellyeye
A Horse's Tail
Manhoo
Wireless
Odd Even
Bell Stinks
Bell Clinks
Flap Off You Beak
Winds and Rains is Cold
Cry Wet Smile Dry
Jitterbug (Junior Is a)
Sleep All Eyes Open
Come Back Clammy Lammy
Clean That Evil Mud Out of Your Soul
Signs
Will Bleed Amen
Faster Than Snakes With a Ball and a Chain


Hee ... now it's time to make a VLC playlist ::D

Bob


Nice to see we do agree on something :)

Also (and genuinly ) like the fact your fav list is chronologically . Makes things easier :)

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby psparky27 » Sat May 31, 2014 04:48

So I though i would "copy" SNards idea :

Aukamacic
T.V.T.V
The Obvious Identity
Jibber and twitch
Gena Lollabrigida
It's A lovely Day
Nurses
Is this the Life
Visiting Hours
A little man and a house
In A city Lining
Im Eating in Bed
Dive
The Icing on the world (just on its intro alone !)
Victory Egg
Big Ship
Tarred and Feathered
There's Too Many Irons in the Fire
Blind In Safety And Leafy In Love
Loosfish Scapegrace
Baby Heart Dirt
The Duck and Roger the Horse
Arnald
Fast Robert
Mares Nest (I am always humming this in my brain)
The Stench of Honey
Buds and Spawn
The Ever So Closely Guarsed Line
She is Hiding Behind the head
March
Anything I cant eat
CoreDay is gone
No Bright Side
Ideal (why this is just on the single amazes me)
Joining the plankton (was awesome live)
Dog Like Sparky
Fiery Gun Hand
Fairy Mary Mag
Belleye
ManhooWireless
Odd EvenBell Stinks
Nurses (yes its that good but it is a new version! )
Devils
Spinney
Theres good cud
Clean That Evil Mud out of your Soul
Signs

I do think my list is heavily influenced by live gigs and the stuff Ii heard there seems to always have more memories.

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Postby Snardbafulator » Sat May 31, 2014 05:55

Made Of Worms wrote:I dislike this forum font (Trebuchet?) compared to others, because in other oft-used fonts the word 'burn' more closely resembles the word 'bum'.

Hey, isn't a trebuchet that thing the French used to fling cows over the walls of Camelot in MP and the Holy Grail?

Damn, Sparky ... how could I have forgotten Ideal?

Gotta edit the post (and my playlist) again ...

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Postby psparky27 » Sat May 31, 2014 06:42

Snardbafulator wrote:
Damn, Sparky ... how could I have forgotten Ideal?

Gotta edit the post (and my playlist) again ...

Bob


Which makes me think of ....

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby Snardbafulator » Sat May 31, 2014 13:12

psparky27 wrote:Ideal (why this is just on the single amazes me)

Well that caused me to revisit There Is No Bright Side, which is also a great song with an impossibly buoyant chorus that comes out of nowhere, kind of like the chorus in Flap Off You Beak. I could get all micro-analytical about the timing patterns, too :mrgreen:

It's not quite the crack across the nob that Ideal is, but absolutely, Sparktacular One, why both of them never made it to Heaven Born is quite beyond me, too. In my view, they could have both replaced Heaven and Helen and For Good and All and made it a better album.

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby psparky27 » Sat May 31, 2014 15:49

Snardbafulator wrote:
psparky27 wrote:Ideal (why this is just on the single amazes me)

Well that caused me to revisit There Is No Bright Side, which is also a great song with an impossibly buoyant chorus that comes out of nowhere, kind of like the chorus in Flap Off You Beak. I could get all micro-analytical about the timing patterns, too :mrgreen:

It's not quite the crack across the nob that Ideal is, but absolutely, Sparktacular One, why both of them never made it to Heaven Born is quite beyond me, too. In my view, they could have both replaced Heaven and Helen and For Good and All and made it a better album.

Bob



Just to let you know Snard, on the single cover its labled as "no bright side " and on the actual disk its down as "There is No Bright Side" ...so not sure what is the correct name...When you upload the disk it calls it No Bright Side??? I reckon you are correct and its a cock up on the printing?

I think maybe heaven and helen was on there to keep that Sea nymphs feel that was in the last few albums...just a thought ?

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby Snardbafulator » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:29

psparky27 wrote:Just to let you know Snard,

Oh call me Bob. Eveyone else does :mrgreen: It's oBo spelled inside out!
on the single cover its labled as "no bright side " and on the actual disk its down as "There is No Bright Side" ...so not sure what is the correct name...When you upload the disk it calls it No Bright Side??? I reckon you are correct and its a cock up on the printing?

I don't know, Sparky; I'm not a physical collector. As long as we all know what tune we're talking about, the exact title isn't such an issue. I constantly call Wind and Rains is Cold by the wrong name, Winds and Rains is Cold, for some reason, but we all know what I mean.
I think maybe heaven and helen was on there to keep that Sea nymphs feel that was in the last few albums...just a thought ?

Most likely. I'm sure Tim had his reasons for including both those tunes, which might be tributes to his lady friend at the time (if my timing's right, Jo Spratley), even if I think the other tunes are better than Day Is Gone, which is a good song but has kinda wore off on me.

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Re: Great Songs from a newbie's perspective

Postby psparky27 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 15:44

Im not a physical collector either...it was just the only way I could hear them when you tube was just a twinkle of the internets eye and mp3's were too big to be portable :P

Not having a go or anything just dont see myself as a collector just a plain old fan x