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Postby Meenie » Tue Jul 03, 2007 19:44

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Postby Made Of Worms » Wed Aug 01, 2007 19:36

Someone recently posted elsewhere that STG is a bit "shrill". Yes it is isn't it. Until you know it well it's pretty hard to listen to in the car, where road noise subsumes all the bottom and leaves you with only the shrillness.


Ooh get me, finding fault today.

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Postby Ally Craig » Wed Aug 01, 2007 19:40

I think STG is mastered much like the re-release of Heaven Born - "hot" to the point of clipping. And that's the original release, so there's not even nice earlier version to track down for something that's gentler on the ears. It's not so bad on a stereo, but I can't listen to it with headphones because it does actually hurt a bit.

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Postby clippa » Wed Aug 01, 2007 19:46

Blimey, I think he's right
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Postby Ally Craig » Wed Aug 01, 2007 19:48

I swear some tracks are at sliiightly different levels too. I always have to turn it down a bit when Fiery Gun Hand comes on. It's a shame, because the songs are bee-flippin'-rilliant.

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Postby clippa » Wed Aug 01, 2007 19:51

Yeah, I always have to flick the volume up a notch when dog like sparky comes on.

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Postby Ally Craig » Wed Aug 01, 2007 19:53

I bet Tim did it like that on purpose. The stories I've heard about him wanting the pictures deliberately out of sync when editing videos, none of the cuts on the beat and sometimes the lip sync a few frames off... He's probably "Wyatting" his own fans.

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Postby schlep » Wed Aug 01, 2007 20:00

In December,
schlep wrote:
Some days I don't like the sound of it - it sort of blares at you with full blown technicolor layer upon layer of everything and the kitchen sink thrown in; but then other times it sounds magnificent. Depends on the state of my nervous system.

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Postby Made Of Worms » Wed Aug 01, 2007 20:26

Mm? :wink:



Feels like EQ as well as just clippy stuff. Bit of a peak at *holds finger to the wind* 4k or so.

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Postby Batesy » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:36

Sounds unfailingly great to my big flappy ears.

I'm reminded of a Billy Bragg lyric:

"The tempatation,
To take the precious things we have apart, to see how they work,
Must be resisted for they never for together again"

Obviously, he's singing about his fussy missus, but you know what I mean...

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Postby Stevefarcue » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:52

Definitely agree on the hard to listen to in a car thing. Many times i've returned home after playing STG and found my ears ringing. It's where i've had to crank the stereo to get the juicy bits.

To all the Wildhearts fans, you probably know that the frontman of the W/Hearts, Ginger, had his last album produced by Tim and there were complaints about the sound quality there too. Again, it's very hard on the ears.
I'm sure the new album will be fine. :D

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Postby funex » Thu Aug 02, 2007 13:10

I find StG fares extremely badly as MP3s. So does HBaEB actually. The others not so badly.

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Postby Batesy » Thu Aug 02, 2007 13:31

I'm really surprised to hear this - I have it on my MP3 player and it sounds great loud - particularly tracks like Dirty Boy and Fiery Gun Hand - I can happily belt them out!

I can't give it the car test though as I don't have one. I'll suggest to Mrs Batesy that we buy one immediately! :D

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Postby scott » Thu Oct 25, 2007 02:52

My old dear phoned to ask me what i wanted for my birthday. Three words mother - Sing.To.God.Parts.One.And.Two.

It's in the post!!

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And now the night of weeping shall be
The morn of song

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Postby brother abnego » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:44

Made Of Worms wrote:Someone recently posted elsewhere that STG is a bit "shrill". Yes it is isn't it. Until you know it well it's pretty hard to listen to in the car, where road noise subsumes all the bottom and leaves you with only the shrillness.


Ally Craig wrote:I think STG is mastered much like the re-release of Heaven Born - "hot" to the point of clipping. And that's the original release, so there's not even nice earlier version to track down for something that's gentler on the ears. It's not so bad on a stereo, but I can't listen to it with headphones because it does actually hurt a bit.


clippa wrote:Blimey, I think he's right


Made Of Worms wrote:Feels like EQ as well as just clippy stuff. Bit of a peak at *holds finger to the wind* 4k or so.


Stevefarcue wrote:Definitely agree on the hard to listen to in a car thing. Many times i've returned home after playing STG and found my ears ringing. It's where i've had to crank the stereo to get the juicy bits.


funex wrote:I find StG fares extremely badly as MP3s. So does HBaEB actually.


...yeah, all of that......I think it took until Guns for the mastering gremlins inherent in Cardiacs 90's releases to be addressed....I love Guns as an album, and one of the reasons I listen to it so much is (I think) the lovely creamy overall production/mastering......whilst I don't think Sing To God is anywhere near as dicey as the 1995 release of HB&EB in terms of clipping/peaking/overloudness, I still feel it has a touch of 'digital raucousness' to it, that Guns and the Garage Concerts noticeably dont...the louder you crank StG up, the greater the 'metal-dustbin-full-of-magnetised ball-bearings' effect...its still one of the finest albums I ever did hear, though (backpeddling to cover his arse)...

...for the record, the most severe example of Cardiacs being mastered way too loud is (imho) the instrumental version of Insect Hooves on Lassie on Cardiacs/Camp Blackfoot CD single:
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...WOOF!


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