The Obvious Identity

[Alternate BC]

Looking for a good scan of the cover of this cassette.
Anyone ?

[Pet Lamb]

Looking for a good scan of the cover of this cassette.
Anyone ?

I have never seen a good scan only a fairly mediocre scan...maybe someone on here has an original they could scan for you...?

[clippa]

I'm sure I have a picture but I'm not sure of the quality. My computers gone tits up though. I've had to piece together this old one from bits of cardboard and string. I'll drop those things back in the pond as well when I get it sorted.

[Pet Lamb]

I've had to piece together this old one from bits of cardboard and string.

What no sticky back plastic Garland...? I'm all disappointed now...

[clippa]

I used all that up sticking dead insects together for my "lassie mark II" collage

[abade]

I have on my naughty digital version a track listed as "Unknown", it's listed as track 7, it's 1:18 long and it's a quiet little instrumental on the "A Balloon for Bertie's Party" theme.

It's not on any track listing I know, so I suppose it was an hidden track at the end of face 1?

[drterror666]

Track 7 should be Leaf Scrapings. Comes after Rock Around The Clock Pt. 2, although I guess that bit's obvious!

[Pheeel]

Track 7 should be Leaf Scrapings. Comes after Rock Around The Clock Pt. 2, although I guess that bit's obvious!

Uhh. Look, can we get this straight...there is no Rock Around The Clock Pt 2, that title only exists in the heads of confused bootleggers. What you've got there is a mislabelled Leaf Scrapings, which we know for sure because the first Garage Concerts CD opens with a track called Leaf Scrapings, and they're both the same!

I'm guessing this confusion comes from the fact that some versions of this album list both tracks 6 and 7 as "Leaf Scrapings", when it only should be track 6. That instrumental glockenspiel thing at the end of side 1(which is normally put as track 7) doesn't have a name that we know of. The album version of Leaf Scrapings has a longer "jam" bit on the end that isn't on the live version, which some people put as a separate track, but I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be.

[drterror666]

This should sort it out...



I think it must be the intro for A Game for Bertie's Party.

[hello_mr_sparrow]

am i wrong in feeling that the consensus here is that the "Special Garage Concerts" versions of songs from this era are the 'definitive' versions? i feel like some of the more synth-hook driven numbers, like Visiting Hours and Pip As Uncle Dick But Peter Spoiled It, have the PERFECT tone and appropriate levels on the original releases... not taking away from how ridiculously tight the performances were for such old material or how wonderfully they play through as live albums... anyway, just feel like all reviews of the early material just have the reviewer so hung up on the 'demo quality' of this. if you grew up on punk / trashy stuff maybe it's a bit easier to just treat it is one of the greatest lofi gems of all time.

also, the real early cassettes are the big holes in my collection, so i've had to resort to mp3s from others, but it seems that the ones floating around are all recorded from a tape deck playing things a bit too slow. anyone notice this or was i introduced to this album on a rip too fast?

[drterror666]

I guess this is like the situation with a US Black Metal band called VON. At the moment, there's a massive division with the fans because they've re-recorded what the lead singer feels is the definitive versions of the songs from a couple of demos they recorded in the 90's on a new album. But, some of the fans feel that the demo material is what VON were all about and anything re-recorded is false.

I guess it's subjective as to which version of the Cardiac Arrest/Cardiacs songs are best. Personally, I love the early cassettes and feel that the songs are the definitive versions, but I appreciate hearing the songs recorded with better production on the Garage CD's.

[hello_mr_sparrow]

hah, i just saw Von the other day. man, i am never this harsh but it was the absolute biggest load of crap. they kept playing these ridiculous samples between songs.. like two men having a conversation about how one of them thinks "black metal" is by black people. is that even a joke? i don't get it. it was material from that new 7" and some other unreleased new album. they only played one song from the demo that NWN released and at that point they were being booed off. the guy also cancels shows like theres no tomorrow and just spews stuff on social networking sites and forums that make me embarrased for him.

[drterror666]

Well, it's nice to hear someone on the Cardiacs forum with knowledge and experience of VON. The 'new' stuff is VON as imagined by Venien, the only remaining member of the original band, although even that is being debated. VON were a band of their era and no amount of dressing up the old stuff with 'atmospheric' samples is going to get me buying the 'new' album. Venien reckons he's got loads of songs lined up for a trilogy of albums that start a new chapter in the entity that is VON. I won't be getting them, that's for sure!

I don't like Venien much and his interviews don't make any sense either; he reminds me of a politician in that he says much, but means little! The collection of demo and live material that was released by NWN is really the only thing worth owning, although not for the live stuff! Venien has stated that he considers the release a bootleg now. Damn egotist!

Anyway, back to The Obvious Identity, which is timeless!