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Re: Guns

Postby Sterbus » Mon Mar 07, 2011 15:35

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Re: Guns

Postby Dino64 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 15:47

Ah yes, Day is Gone. Now there's a song that gives me chills! Yep, there's that progression again. A thing of beauty it is.

The whole thing about playing music, for me anyway, is to absorb all of your influences, and make them sound like you.

My drumming influences (Neil Peart, Levon Helm, Buddy Rich, Bernard Purdey to name a few) are many and varied. Incorporating those styles is the challenge I faced/face constantly, and if I ever had someone after a gig, or listening to a recording, say to me, "how did you do that?" or "you sounded great up there," that would be a real reward for me. It always humbles me.

I'm not a successful musician financially, never have been, but to touch people at any level is the greatest feeling a musician can have in my humble opinion. :)

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Re: Guns

Postby chaffinch » Thu Mar 24, 2011 01:26

I'm a very recent Cardiacs convert and 'Guns' is one of the albums I've found my self listening to the most. I love it from start to finish, but the coda to Jitterbug absolutely floored me the first time I heard it; it's like the soundtrack to a partially remembered dream and the absolute epitome of music that 'makes your tummy go funny'.

Why is 'Guns' often regarded as not being 'quite up there' with the other albums?

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Re: Guns

Postby bellyeyed » Thu Mar 24, 2011 02:05

im not going to say anymore after this...except for..

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Re: Guns

Postby schlep » Thu Mar 24, 2011 02:37

I've often wondered if the relative unpopularity doesn't have something to do with Guns' crazy old movie American frontier jargon in the lyrics - it veers away from that bred in the bone Englishness of the earlier work. It is a bit weird.
It's the first album I got really immersed in, I love it to bits forever.
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Re: Guns

Postby snowman » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:48

Chaffinch and Schlep - I wholeheartedly agree with you re: your Guns praise - yes, I was also floored by the Jitterbug coda - the whole album is flawless - inventive and energetic throughout; the best Cardiacs album to date.

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Re: Guns

Postby eadric » Thu Mar 24, 2011 13:24

I don't think there's many bad songs on it, but Guns is a bit meh for me. One or two great tracks, but it sorts of drift by. Production is a bit swampy, but I love the lyrics.

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Re: Guns

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Postby Made Of Worms » Thu Mar 24, 2011 14:46

My Cardiacs inductor didn't rate Guns for five years or more, while I thought it was fab and groovy and like a less OTT Sing To God 3*. When questioned, he only made vague noises about it sounding like revisited ideas to him. Recently whenever I see him he wants me to know he gets it now. Yes, I think it's only natural that those who were really there in the mid-late eighties had quite a lot asked of them to adjust to the new way, but I still don't understand the ones who love StG and turn their nose up at Guns.

*After my second listen that is. My first listen was in the car, I couldn't wait to get it home, but listening to brand new Cardiacs with all the bass drowned out by road noise is not recommended. It was just a load of shrill senselessness. Not as shrill as Sing To God mind, which I don't think necessarily makes a thing 'swampy', Sing To God could honestly do with a dB or two less shrillness at 2.5 kHz or so.

(A friend who witnessed my descent into gibbering StG fandom, and was fair blown away by it himself, later heard me playing OLAITS and asked if it was a new album, so.)

I reckon it's not what you said schlep, because nobody knows what the bloke's on about anyway :) I certainly didn't even notice the amount of Americana until it was pointed out here with all the Night Of The Hunter doo-dah.

Ah, I see I already said all that on page 5. Thought so.

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Re: Guns

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Re: Guns

Postby snowman » Thu Mar 24, 2011 16:57

But Guns is exquisitely produced when compared with StG!

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Re: Guns

Postby drterror666 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 17:11

I never got the whole Guns being Cardiacs-lite thing. I mean, the band has developed over the years and they had to overcome the loss of the classic members. Tim could have called it a day if he wanted to (and he was thinking about it), but he didn't and now we have what we have.

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